Tuesday, August 25, 2009
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[00:25:20] <serkon> пинг
[00:25:21] <Elektronik> serkon: понг от тебя 0.07 секунд
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[00:27:04] <serkon> привет
[00:27:17] <serkon> давате смотреть ониме
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[00:33:20] <microxa> serkon: йаой?
[00:34:42] * microxa nl: Rasputina - Possum of the Grotto
[00:36:17] * microxa и трахаеццо с переделкой импульсного регулятора моторчика под 555-ый таймерок http://www.telesys.ru/electronics/projects.php?do=p055
[00:38:53] <microxa> возможности этого таймера ограничены ток воображением
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[01:55:22] * serkon покатался за рулем четырехколесного ТС в пьяном виде
[01:55:47] <serkon> интересно, какие еще пункты ПДД я не нарушал?..
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[02:04:50] <microxa> не наехал на хибадедешнега?
[02:05:24] <serkon> неа. ровно и аккуратно. рефлексы работают
[02:05:25] <noxyuct> microxa: это кто?
[02:05:36] <noxyuct> понял
[02:07:25] <aaz[j.k.u]> microxa: хіба то де-де-шнік???
[02:07:45] <aaz[j.k.u]> то ж прям-таки мєнт ;)
[02:07:57] <microxa> додешнег да
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[02:08:52] * microxa неприязнено вспомнил.. "граждане выйдите из машыны руки на капот"
[02:09:00] <aaz[j.k.u]> 0_о
[02:09:04] <aaz[j.k.u]> это чо за?
[02:09:11] <aaz[j.k.u]> они у вас там что, бешеные?
[02:09:39] <microxa> ну надо было им еще сказать спасибо что ниче не нашли
[02:09:58] <microxa> хотя спрашивали "оружие наркотики?"
[02:11:09] <aaz[j.k.u]> офигеть. Ориентировка была на похожую машину? вообще объяснили, скуя бы остановили?
[02:11:55] <microxa> та пофуй...
[02:12:17] <microxa> трясса - москау- область
[02:13:12] <microxa> сами как под наркотой да еще с акм
[02:13:40] <microxa> обшмонали - да дальше поехали
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[02:21:41] <microxa> хмхм.. а на AVR mega128 реальненько уже микрокомп забацать с пользовательским и-фейсом?
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[02:30:50] <microxa> хотя конечно да дополнительных 32кб SRAM не шибко разгуляешся
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[08:24:31] <мрачный> пинг
[08:24:32] <Elektronik> мрачный: понг от тебя 0.086 секунд
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[09:03:20] <microxa> дюк нюкен жиф! http://s47.radikal.ru/i116/0908/0f/c1a7530f6b45.jpg ^_^
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[09:11:46] <Elektronik> Robin> Здравствуй СЫНА!
[09:11:54] <Robin> Здорова, ОТЦЫ!
[09:11:57] <Robin> wz uloo
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[09:40:13] <a_winner> re
[09:42:34] <`n3yr0n`> microxa: а что подразумеваеца под пользовательским интерфейсом?
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[10:25:10] <al3xey> ку!!
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[10:29:48] <a_winner> al3xey:
[10:32:07] <al3xey> блин. так и не получилось сделать фоторезистом плату :(
[10:32:23] <al3xey> шаблон гавёный на струйнике получается
[10:33:43] <a_winner> ну дык
[10:34:06] <al3xey> :-D
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[11:23:49] <microxa> `n3yr0n`: а? ну с закачкой в оперативку кода проги..
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[11:50:00] <serkon> Задачи конкурса:
* раскрытие визуального художественного образа клея «Момент»;
* создание запоминающихся символов клея «Момент»;
* содействие популяризации бренда клея «Момент»;
* раскрытие исторической значимости клея в профессиональной жизни художников;
* поддержка творческой молодежи и профессиональных художников.
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[13:07:00] <al3xey> Ку
[13:09:39] <al3xey> Кто-нить пробовал печатать на самоклейке? Точнее на второй ее стороне, которую выкидывают обычно... Хочу попробовать ее вместо глянцевой бумаги для лута
[13:11:35] <xrayman> она разве сплошная? вроде ж разделена на полосы
[13:11:43] <xrayman> в пару см
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[13:30:55] <`n3yr0n`> microxa: это просто прошивка через бут лоадер
[13:38:18] <al3xey> xrayman: сплошная
[13:38:48] <xrayman> о_О прикольно, у меня полосатая
[13:39:11] <karpen> xrayman: подарок моряков?
[13:39:23] <al3xey> Может мы говорим о разных самоклейках
[13:39:27] <xrayman> почему моряков? из африки
[13:39:33] <xrayman> зёбрастайл
[13:40:07] <xrayman> а ты о какой? я об обычной А4 с клейким слоем
[13:40:23] <xrayman> имя не помню
[13:40:24] <al3xey> Не. У меня другая
[13:40:35] <al3xey> Рулонная :-D
[13:41:10] <al3xey> В стройтоварах купил
[13:41:16] <al3xey> :-)
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[13:42:18] <xrayman> а ты попробуй, чо тебе мешает, заодно нам расскажешь
[13:42:39] <al3xey> Так вот. Еду домой. Пробовать
[13:42:41] <kraftenysh> al3xey: я пробовал печать на подложке самоклейки "оракал". Засрал весь принтер.
[13:42:59] <kraftenysh> Не фатально, отчистил, но больше не хочу повторять.
[13:43:00] <xrayman> ну кал он и в африке кал :)
[13:44:02] <al3xey> Ну я всеже попробую. Уж больно геморно убирать глянец с платы
[13:44:27] <kraftenysh> Она была, для уменьшии адгезии клеящего слоя, покрыта каким-то пластиком, тонким слоем. Что то вроде плёнки ПВХ или пободное. Эта хрен расплавилась при проходе печки.
[13:45:34] <xrayman> ты перед печатью утюжком ее
[13:45:35] <kraftenysh> Попробуй поскрести её чем-нибудь острым и горячим, например, ножом. Насребёшь расплавленного пластика, думай сам, стоит ли пихать это в принтер. не наскребёшь, пробуй.
[13:45:38] <xrayman> посмотри на реакция
[13:45:43] <xrayman> реакцию*
[13:46:27] <kraftenysh> Утюг тоже вариант. Положаить лист мелованной бумаги и погладить, посмотреть, прилипнет иил нет.
[13:48:03] <kraftenysh> al3xey: про какой глянец разговор, про бумагу глянцевую, что ли?
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[13:54:08] <kraftenysh> А вообще, пойдёт бумага или нет, можно определить, если поскресьти отпечаток чем-нибудь острым - если тонер слезает без повреждения бумаги, то пойдёт.
[13:55:05] <kraftenysh> Сейчас у меня как раз дотравливается двухстороння плата, сделанна таким образм на этой бумаге.
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[14:23:34] <xrayman> кто-нибудь знает мк в дип40 или ткфп44 с возможностями меги 48-168?
[14:24:30] <xrayman> авр я имею ввиду :)
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[14:47:14] <xrayman> http://www.yaplakal.com/forum3/topic253544.html?hl=
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[14:55:06] <al3xey> так. вобщем я прогрел утюгом ту сторону бумаги - вроде ничего не прилипло и ничего не отстало *THUMBS UP*
вечерком попробую на ней напечатать на лазернике
[14:55:38] <al3xey> уж очень та сторона мне напоминает глянцевый журнал..
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[15:05:02] <xrayman> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuoLx4Uob7A&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ekomap%2Enet%2Eru%2F&feature=player_embedded#t=94
[15:05:06] <xrayman> *ROFL*
[15:08:31] <al3xey> *ROFL*
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[15:09:10] <`n3yr0n`> привет :) всем )
[15:09:19] <serkon> ehlo
[15:09:39] <`n3yr0n`> подскажите как в gcc скомпилять так что бы переменные находились по определенному адресу
[15:10:06] <serkon> чего добиться хочешь?
[15:10:48] <`n3yr0n`> ну команду слать считать _этот _адрес и он мне например данные ацп/шима/термометра и тп...
[15:11:00] <`n3yr0n`> их много
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[15:12:09] <serkon> int i = *(int*)0xaddr;
:)
[15:13:12] <`n3yr0n`> дык по нулевому адресу может распологаца, какая нить преременная., я же не знаю как оно скомпилируется в отдельном случае...
[15:13:59] <serkon> ну ты хочешь с определенных адресов памяти читать?
[15:17:00] <`n3yr0n`> угу, как в асме типа .org 60 и пошли всякие db ... только нужна на си такая функция(gcc)
[15:17:50] <serkon> эта "функция" называется * - разыменовывание указателя
[15:18:25] <serkon> int* var = (int*)0xdeadbeef;
...
int i = *var;
*var = value;
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[15:20:46] <`n3yr0n`> разыменовывание я знаю что такое, а мне нужно вот:
скомпилировал я например программку а там int iTest, после первой компиляции переменная по адресу 0x20000000, а вслед раз - 0x20000008, а команда приходит считать адрес 0x20000000! и фиг знает какая там переменная
[15:21:44] <xrayman> она сама чтоли переползает?
[15:21:45] <serkon> эм. зачем собственные переменные читать? )
[15:22:03] <serkon> если надо знать адрес переменной, есть &
[15:22:10] <`n3yr0n`> я говорю приходит команда, по уарт например )
[15:22:26] <`n3yr0n`> xrayman: угу если перед ней еще переменных насоздавать
[15:22:28] <serkon> задачу опиши
[15:22:56] <serkon> вообще это все в линкер-скрипте делается. но это явно не то решение которое ты действительно хочешь
[15:22:59] <`n3yr0n`> считывать состояние внешней переферии
[15:23:12] <`n3yr0n`> хотябы так )
[15:23:14] <serkon> состояние внешней периферии хранится в собственных переменных?
[15:23:26] <`n3yr0n`> угу, они синхронно считываются
[15:23:36] <`n3yr0n`> и в буфер перекладываются
[15:24:00] <serkon> ну так сделай структуру в которой все хранится
и в протоколе передавай позицию в этой структуре
[15:24:12] <xrayman> а почему ты хочешь читать именно по конкретному адресу, а не по смещению от начала буфера?
[15:26:20] <`n3yr0n`> таких переменных(они у меня как раз структурами организованы) очень много, и каждая по своему адресу(зависит от параметров компиляции -О0 там или -О2)
[15:27:03] <`n3yr0n`> протокол типа модбаса :)
[15:27:11] <xrayman> массив указателей на эти переменные :)
[15:28:27] <serkon> угу
жестко задавать адреса в таком случае - натуральный фимоз. что будешь делать при смене архитектуры, контроллера, даже посто компилятора?..
[15:28:28] <xrayman> Хотя я чота не понимаю, у них есть символьные имена, значит известно где их читать. Зачем привязка к конкретному адресу?
[15:30:26] <karpen> xrayman: если пишешь загрузчик, то значение имеет
[15:30:39] <`n3yr0n`> протокол такой, у него по опред. адресу свои переменные, например по адресу 0x0000 данные ацп по 16 каналам
[15:31:15] <`n3yr0n`> а по 0х0020 данные ввода ввывода
[15:31:38] <`n3yr0n`> и про загрузчик тоже верно
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[15:35:10] <serkon> ну так в своем массиве храни по этим адресам
[15:38:24] <`n3yr0n`> #ifdef THREEWIRE
const struct fk_struct fk @ 0x1080={1,-0.002,-0.002,-0.002};
#else
const struct fk_struct fk @ 0x1080={1,0.0005,0.0005,0.0005};
#endif
const struct aperture_struct ap @ 0xF200={1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0};
//const struct speed_struct speed @ 0xF400={1,2,1}; // 101 2=57600, 3=115200
const struct speed_struct speed @ 0xF400={1,2,0xFFFF}; // FT3
const struct addr_struct addr @ 0xF600={1,1464,1464,1}; // init, sn(ñåðèéíûé íîìåð), saddr(àäðåñ ñòàíöèè), saddr_length
const struct nk_struct nk @ 0xF800={1,NK_I,NK_I,NK_I,NK_U,NK_U,NK_U};
const struct ik_struct ik @ 0xFA00={1,1.0/1000.0,1.0/1000.0,1.0/NOM_CURRENT,1.0/100.0, // mpy
0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0}; // shift
const struct tk_struct tk @ 0xFC00={1,1.0,1.0,1.0,1.0,1.0,1.0}; // ñåãìåíò 1
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[15:39:20] <`n3yr0n`> это в иаре было , тиснул у кого то )
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[15:48:57] <`n3yr0n`> @ обозначает в иаре "разместить по адресу"
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[15:51:51] <a_winner> ñåðèéíûé íîìåð...
[15:51:58] <a_winner> куда это послали?
[15:55:16] <`n3yr0n`> a_winner: ñåãìåíò 1 - это сегмент 1, в другой кодировке
[15:55:40] <`n3yr0n`> ну ладно буду биться , может побежу/победю :)
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[15:55:47] <`n3yr0n`> всем пока :)
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[15:56:01] <`n3yr0n`> serkon: Спасибо за помощь
[15:56:16] <serkon> `n3yr0n`: если совсем так штырит - в линкер-скрипте адреса указывай
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[15:57:19] <`n3yr0n`> я про него тока сейчас, подумал, завтра разберусь, наверное
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[16:02:27] <Brainiac> всем привет
[16:02:46] <a_winner> Brainiac:
[16:02:50] <a_winner> DI HALT:
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[16:08:32] <Brainiac> k.lb
[16:08:34] <Brainiac> люди
[16:08:41] <a_winner> http://www.yankodesign.com/2009/08/18/phone-that-shames-the-weather-bureau/
[16:08:48] <a_winner> Brainiac: what`s happened?
[16:08:51] <Brainiac> а как прошить мегу если спи у нее занято другой микросхемой?
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[16:11:32] <Brainiac> ау
[16:11:34] <Brainiac> люди
[16:11:40] <Brainiac> кто нибудь знает?
[16:12:09] <karpen> jtag
[16:12:17] <Brainiac> неее
[16:12:18] <karpen> а ваапще, вытащи и прошей
[16:12:26] <Brainiac> у меня tqfp32
[16:13:43] <xrayman> а что, не дает прошивать?
[16:14:03] <Brainiac> есть микросхема сс2500
[16:14:10] <Brainiac> вот она соединена по спи
[16:14:20] <Brainiac> питание подается на обе микросхемы
[16:14:29] <Brainiac> мега вообще без прошивки
[16:14:56] <serkon> Brainiac: CS на вторую микруху не подавай
[16:15:15] <serkon> когда CS не приходит, SPI-ное устройство не влияет на шину
[16:15:39] <Brainiac> нужно я так понимаю посадить на cs сс лог1?
[16:16:39] <serkon> вроде 0
[16:17:12] <Brainiac> лог0 это активный для спи
[16:18:00] <serkon> не помню. год назад последний раз занимался
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[16:19:38] <a_winner> обычно сигнал -CS
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[16:26:34] <serkon> угу, инвертированный
[16:29:47] <a_winner> serkon: нет. с активным низким уровнем
[16:31:03] <serkon> угу
[16:32:15] * a_winner поумничал, типа :)
[16:32:39] * serkon потупничал
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[16:40:37] <a_winner> serkon: собирайте регулятор тембров
[16:40:48] <serkon> шашлык
[16:40:55] <a_winner> да-да-да
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[16:48:40] <a_winner> calc 254/4
[16:48:41] <Крошка> a_winner: 63.5
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[16:57:56] <serkon> http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/f/e/fellarin/124332908728.jpg
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[17:19:33] <plumbum> serkon, в общем то перед фанатичным атеистом любой религиозный фанатик нервно курит в углу =)
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[17:49:32] <gosplan> calc 1/0
[17:49:33] <Крошка> gosplan: Делим на нолик, да? :-/
[17:49:41] <gosplan> уг
[17:50:09] <gosplan> calc 1234!
[17:50:10] <Крошка> gosplan: Многовато... :(
[17:50:33] <gosplan> тупое животное
[17:50:57] <gosplan> calc ln(e)
[17:50:58] <Крошка> gosplan: что это было?!
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[17:54:37] <gosplan> DI HALT ты тут ? паяльник тебе не пришел еще ? мне вот прислали, пиздатая вещ похоже что
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[18:17:38] <cd21> привет всем
[18:22:14] <DI HALT> жду пока
[18:22:18] <DI HALT> обещали в конце месяца
[18:22:23] <DI HALT> http://9.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kow7svRidc1qz4fnpo1_500.jpg
погладь киску
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[19:39:21] <DOLF122> . у нас свет отключают завтра. чутле не вполовине города, походу авария на ГЭС кое каму недает ночью спать
[19:40:06] <Dema> DOLF122, Это ж замечательно! :) Хоть флудить не будешь :)))
[19:40:32] <DOLF122> Dema: тишина это тоже флуд
[19:40:40] <DOLF122> так что еше как буду
[19:42:22] <Dema> DOLF122, Вредный ты :)
[19:42:47] <DOLF122> я умерено вредный.
[19:42:57] <DOLF122> тоесть с полезным эфектом
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[19:47:46] <Elektronik> Robin> Здравствуй СЫНА!
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[20:12:56] <aaz[j.k.u]> пинг
[20:13:00] <Elektronik> aaz[j.k.u]: понг от тебя 2.787 секунд
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[20:26:20] <firewolk> gosplan: а что вы за паяльник купили?
[20:27:23] <gosplan> goot PX-201
[20:27:45] <gosplan> китайский клон CT-96
[20:27:57] <gosplan> т.е ЦТ ето клон
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[20:40:45] <firewolk> gosplan: так у дихалта же и так CT-96. или захотелось именно gootовский
[20:41:34] <gosplan> он протащился от китайского клона, и видимо решил что оригинал тогда вообще зло чистое
[20:42:01] <gosplan> я тоже в принципе так думаю, только ЦТ у меня нет и сравнить не с чем. но паяльником доволен
[20:44:26] * firewolk хотел 20и ваттник взять, но как вспомнил про ст96 решил что это будет лишняя трата денег
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[21:14:19] <al3xey> народ! ни в коем случе не пробуйте печатать на лазернике на самоклейке (точнее на безклеевой стороне)... чуть не убил принтер :)
[21:14:30] <aaz[j.k.u]> чочо?
[21:14:38] <aaz[j.k.u]> на какой печатал-то?
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[21:15:41] <al3xey> ну есть же самоклейка в рулонах... вот хотел попробовать.... попробовал...
[21:16:00] <aaz[j.k.u]> так ты на самой пленке печатал?
[21:16:13] <aaz[j.k.u]> не на подложке?
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