Thursday, August 27, 2009
[00:00:01] <Чудо творожок> serkon: творожок тоже?
[00:00:19] <serkon> конечно
[00:00:34] <plumbum> Spo1ler, плохой проггер. Полистай ман, скинь скорость программирования - уменьшь частоту sclk
[00:01:33] <Spo1ler> Хм...
[00:01:39] <Spo1ler> А могут быть наводки?
[00:01:47] <Spo1ler> А то он в 20 см от системника лежит
[00:01:48] <serkon> и на пиво тоже
[00:01:56] <serkon> питание нормальное?
[00:01:59] <Spo1ler> от БП
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[00:02:20] <plumbum> Spo1ler, ну дык... они и есть. У тебя на ногах что кроме проггера висит?
[00:02:22] Чудо творожок Клубничный now is known as Чудо творожок Вишнёвый
[00:02:29] <Spo1ler> plumbum: в смысле?
[00:02:34] <plumbum> serkon, б-г-г... засметань клубнеца =)
[00:02:40] <Spo1ler> У меня на PB0 только диод и все
[00:02:47] <serkon> plumbum: грязный извращенец
[00:03:09] <plumbum> Spo1ler, ноги питальные все подключил? GND, AGND, VCC, AVCC
[00:03:32] <Spo1ler> Две земли, два питания, да
[00:04:03] <plumbum> Spo1ler, от проггера провода длинные?
[00:04:12] <Spo1ler> Не
[00:04:16] <Spo1ler> Там прямо на монтажке МК
[00:05:00] <plumbum> Spo1ler, а схему проггера. Е?
[00:05:12] <Spo1ler> http://easyelectronics.ru/img/AVRProgrammator/gromov.jpg
[00:06:08] <plumbum> Spo1ler, а-а-а... это тот что у дихалтыча.. Тут вроде с ним у кого-то проблемы уже были...
[00:06:23] <plumbum> Spo1ler, померяй, у тебя компорт какое напряжение выдаёт?
[00:06:31] <Spo1ler> Ээм
[00:06:37] <Spo1ler> между какими ногами?
[00:06:40] <serkon> диоды той стороной стоят? )
[00:06:58] <Spo1ler> serkon: ну той, ответ же идет и сигнатуру оно ссчитывает
[00:07:04] <serkon> а
[00:07:16] <serkon> кондер на питании висит?
[00:07:20] <Spo1ler> нет
[00:07:29] <Spo1ler> От БП же вроде компового питается
[00:07:31] <plumbum> Spo1ler, ну к примеру на db-9 между 5й (земля) и 3й (txd) у тебя какое напряжение?
[00:07:42] <Spo1ler> Сейчас
[00:10:14] <Spo1ler> plumbum: 11.14
[00:11:17] <Spo1ler> ы?
[00:11:58] * plumbum думает
[00:12:30] * serkon подбирает код к 4-циферному кодовому замку
[00:13:14] <Spo1ler> хм
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[00:13:24] <plumbum> Spo1ler, ну попробуй всё же скинуть скорость: -i delay
For bitbang-type programmers, delay for approximately delay microseconds between each bit state change. If the host system is very
fast, or the target runs off a slow clock (like a 32 kHz crystal, or the 128 kHz internal RC oscillator), this can become necessary to
satisfy the requirement that the ISP clock frequency must not be higher than 1/4 of the CPU clock frequency. This is implemented as a
spin-loop delay to allow even for very short delays. On Unix-style operating systems, the spin loop is initially calibrated against a
system timer, so the number of microseconds might be rather realistic, assuming a constant system load while avrdude is running. On
Win32 operating systems, a preconfigured number of cycles per microsecond is assumed that might be off a bit for very fast or very
slow machines.
[00:13:38] * microxa мучает акк разрядкой
[00:13:39] <Spo1ler> Сейчас скину
[00:14:21] * Чудо творожок Вишнёвый спать ушла..хрхраплю...*JOKINGLY*
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[00:15:22] <Spo1ler> plumbum: миллисекунду ставить где-то?
[00:16:16] <plumbum> -i 1000 типа так
[00:16:40] <serkon> порт какой? аппаратный? не усб?
[00:16:46] <serkon> в смысле на материнке
[00:16:50] <Spo1ler> На материнке
[00:16:52] <serkon> хорошо
[00:17:12] <Spo1ler> Не, даже с задержкой не хочет...
[00:17:33] <Spo1ler> А как убрать наводки можно?
[00:17:39] <Spo1ler> чем заслонить?
[00:17:57] <Spo1ler> или я туплю -_-
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[00:23:12] <plumbum> А оно у тебя валится на верификации? А прога не стартует?
[00:24:17] <Spo1ler> Ну я лог выше кинул
[00:24:22] <Spo1ler> Прога вроде не стартует
[00:24:30] <Spo1ler> Потому что не светится диод
[00:24:44] <serkon> у меня бывало обламывалось на верификации из-за питалова
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[00:42:14] <Spo1ler> А что, у МК на ножках +2V?
[00:42:25] <Spo1ler> Кстати, походу программа-то сама работает
[00:42:33] <Spo1ler> На PB0 есть напряжение
[00:42:47] <Spo1ler> Просто диод какой-то непонятный и у него катод и анод местами поменяны -_-
[00:42:53] <Spo1ler> А я не померял
[00:54:48] <plumbum> Spo1ler, в какой момент у тебя 2вольта?
[00:54:58] <Spo1ler> Ну смотри
[00:55:07] <Spo1ler> .include "m8def.inc"
.macro outi
ldi R16,@1
out @0,R16
.endmacro
.org 0x0030
reset:
outi ddrb, 0xff
outi portb, 0xff
rjmp reset
[00:55:26] <Spo1ler> Короче между PB0 и землей 2 вольта
[00:55:50] <serkon> питание 5? ээто третье состояние
[00:55:58] <Spo1ler> 5
[00:56:11] <serkon> третье состояние, дефолтное при ресете
[00:56:14] <Spo1ler> Хм...
[00:56:32] <Spo1ler> Значит прога не работает -_-
[01:01:18] <Spo1ler> Any idea?
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[01:01:39] <serkon> другой кристалл пробовал7
[01:01:55] <serkon> стирал?
фузы нормальные?
[01:02:19] <Spo1ler> avrdude: safemode: Fuses OK
[01:02:25] <Spo1ler> Другой pdip28 нет
[01:02:33] <serkon> это значит что фузы те же что перед операцией
[01:02:54] <serkon> стирание работает нормально? мб биты защиты стоят
[01:02:59] <Spo1ler> Сейчас сотру
[01:04:53] <Spo1ler> spo1ler@spo1ler-desktop:~$ avrdude -n -c nikolaew -P /dev/ttyS0 -p m8 -e
avrdude: AVR device initialized and ready to accept instructions
Reading | ################################################## | 100% 0.00s
avrdude: Device signature = 0x1e9307
avrdude: erasing chip
avrdude: safemode: Fuses OK
avrdude done. Thank you.
[01:05:32] <serkon> пиши и проверяй
[01:05:43] <serkon> покажи команду
[01:05:44] <Spo1ler> Все равно контент мисматч
[01:05:51] <Spo1ler> avrdude -n -c nikolaew -P /dev/ttyS0 -p m8 -i 10000 -U flash:w:Diode.hex
[01:06:39] <serkon> плохо
[01:11:12] <Spo1ler> Теперь верификейшн всегда фейлится на 0x0060
[01:11:59] <serkon> длина кода? )
[01:12:04] <Spo1ler> 106 байт
[01:12:36] <serkon> ну плюс-минус
[01:12:56] <Spo1ler> Хм...
[01:13:49] <Spo1ler> щяс поменьше сделаем
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[01:14:16] <serkon> да не
[01:14:17] <serkon> не надо
[01:14:36] <Spo1ler> avrdude: verification error, first mismatch at byte 0x0000
0x0f != 0xff
[01:14:37] <Spo1ler> -_-
[01:15:17] <Spo1ler> Ой блин
[01:25:28] <Spo1ler> Хм
[01:25:39] <Spo1ler> avrdude -n -c nikolaew -P /dev/ttyS0 -p m8 -i 10000 -U flash:r:flashh:r дает на выходе пустой файл
[01:25:56] <Spo1ler> Хотя, если я правильно понял ман, там должно быть 16 кбайт единиц
[01:27:23] <serkon> flashh размера 0?
[01:27:36] <Spo1ler> да
[01:33:16] <Spo1ler> блин :(
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[01:44:14] <Spo1ler> Хм
[01:44:22] <Spo1ler> Такое чувство, что туда теперь вообще ничего не пишется
[01:44:33] <Spo1ler> Там теперь на 0x0000 всегда 0xff везде
[01:44:39] <Spo1ler> и в eeprom и во флеш
[01:48:06] <Spo1ler> serkon: как точно проверить лок байт? Где он ваще?
[01:50:50] <Spo1ler> spo1ler@spo1ler-desktop:~$ avrdude -n -c nikolaew -P /dev/ttyS0 -p m8 -U lock:r:lockb:r
блаблабла
spo1ler@spo1ler-desktop:~$ cat lockb | hexdump
0000000 003f
0000001
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[02:01:15] <Spo1ler> пыщь? -_-
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[07:54:43] <мрачный> пинг
[07:54:45] <Elektronik> мрачный: понг от тебя 0.138 секунд
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[11:31:11] <serkon> ping
[11:31:12] <Крошка> serkon: Понг от тебя 0.114 секунды
[11:31:12] <Elektronik> Да заебали со своими пингами!
[11:31:51] <мрачный> хоть с ботом поговорить :)
[11:31:57] <serkon> угу
[11:45:49] <noxyuct> пинг
[11:45:49] <Elektronik> noxyuct: леееень...
[11:45:56] <noxyuct> пинг бля!
[11:45:56] <Elektronik> noxyuct: не пингуется
[11:45:58] <noxyuct> пинг
[11:45:58] <Elektronik> noxyuct: понг от тебя 0.249 секунд
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[11:48:40] <al3xey> Ку
[11:48:50] <noxyuct> кю
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[11:56:23] <noxyuct> http://paravozeg.narod.ru/sol_s1.jpg
[11:56:37] <al3xey> Это че?
[11:56:42] <noxyuct> кто знает чем эту херню изолировали?
[11:56:46] <noxyuct> самопальный паяльник
[11:56:52] <noxyuct> http://easyelectronics.ru/forum/ourtools/topic-837
[11:57:03] <serkon> а где тут изоляция?
[11:57:51] <noxyuct> поидее между жалом и нихромовой проволокой. или я ошибаюсь?\
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[12:04:26] <serkon> обычно слюда
[12:04:30] <noxyuct> пинг
[12:04:45] <Elektronik> noxyuct: понг от тебя 13.841 секунд
[12:06:53] <noxyuct> я про данный случай. ты видел фотку? как туда можно слюду запихать?
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[12:07:29] <serkon> тонкая проволока это и есть жало что ли? %)
[12:07:35] <serkon> йопт
[12:07:42] <noxyuct> ога))
[12:08:10] <serkon> п-
[12:08:11] <serkon> ц
[12:08:13] <serkon> наххрена это надо
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[12:15:47] <noxyuct> у мну лично руки сильно трусятся, когда я совковым паяльником смд паяю
[12:16:24] <noxyuct> а достать более приемлемый инструмент в наших джунглях трудновато и дорого
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[12:18:42] <Spo1ler> Хм.
[12:19:22] <al3xey> noxyuct: ну закажи
[12:19:29] <al3xey> В чем проблема?
[12:19:40] <Spo1ler> plumbum: короче оно теперь фейлится прямо на 0x0000, там постоянно 0xff, это из-за каких-нибудь фьюз-битов может быть?
[12:22:20] <plumbum> Spo1ler, ну если ты залочил чип, то да
[12:22:29] <Spo1ler> plumbum: я ничего не лочил -_-
[12:22:30] <Spo1ler> Щя..
[12:22:43] <plumbum> Spo1ler, сбойнуло.
[12:22:59] <plumbum> А прога работает?
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[12:23:12] <Spo1ler> Ну на ноге 2 вольта
[12:23:17] <plumbum> Spo1ler, у тебя LPT есть?
[12:23:21] <Spo1ler> Нее
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[12:25:04] <мрачный> noxyuct: по идее когда нихром раскаляют, он окисляеться, вот этот окисел и есть изоляция от жала
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[12:26:56] <Anper> Материнская плата, восемь букв, ы на конце
[12:28:20] <serkon> Anper: алименты
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[12:28:45] <Anper> serkon, Тоже читал?
[12:29:46] <al3xey> 8-|
[12:30:36] <Spo1ler> plumbum: 00d9 это hfuse, и 00e1 — lfuse
[12:31:01] <serkon> Anper: не. сталкивался
[12:31:26] <Anper> serkon, С алиментами или ithappens?
[12:31:41] <serkon> алиментами
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[12:32:24] <Anper> serkon, А с ith?
[12:32:32] <Dema> Anper, что за алименты?..
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[12:32:56] <Anper> Dema, Ууу
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[12:34:58] <plumbum> Spo1ler, ну фузы у тебе нормальные, mega8 тактируется от 1мгц внутреннего генератора. Кстати при этом sck должен быть не больше 250кгц
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[12:36:35] <Spo1ler> plumbum: sck? Это в аврдуд регулировать?
[12:37:34] <plumbum> ну да.. через -i но там типа -i 4 будет достаточно
[12:38:11] <plumbum> Spo1ler, http://www.engbedded.com/fusecalc/
[12:40:38] <Spo1ler> Ну вроде как все сделал как там...
[12:40:51] <Spo1ler> Да оно так и было
[12:41:28] <plumbum> Spo1ler, ну в общем хз... видимо проггер совсем тухлый =(
[12:41:42] <Spo1ler> А где именно тухлость может быть?
[12:44:30] <Spo1ler> programmer
id = “nikolaew”;
desc = “serial port banging, reset=dtr sck=rts mosi=txd miso=cts”;
type = serbb;
reset = 4;
sck = 7;
mosi = 3;
miso = 8;
;
[12:44:34] <Spo1ler> Может здесь где?
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[12:51:35] <Spo1ler> Хм
[12:51:41] <Spo1ler> Пойти в венду что ли попробовать
[12:56:21] <plumbum> Spo1ler, теоретически нигде.. попробуй второй вывод в db-9 оторвать нах
[12:56:38] <Spo1ler> В смысле?
[12:56:56] <plumbum> ну в своём проггере
[12:57:43] <plumbum> Я этот проггер вот так сделал бы: http://iar.spb.ru/_media/uploads/avr-isp-com.png
[12:58:54] <plumbum> хотя резюки всё же по 1К лучше
[12:59:07] <Spo1ler> Епт, я запутался
[12:59:30] <Spo1ler> http://easyelectronics.ru/img/AVRProgrammator/gromov.jpg можешь показать на этой схеме где исправить?
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[13:01:30] <plumbum> Вот, вот так вот. Обновись. http://iar.spb.ru/_media/uploads/avr-isp-com.png
[13:02:04] <plumbum> Spo1ler, нигде не исправлять, всё переделывать нах =) Учти, что в моём варианте стабилитноны
[13:02:27] <Spo1ler> Хм...
[13:02:33] <plumbum> Во первых идёт ограничение положительного напряжения. Во вторых обрезается отрицательное
[13:02:37] <Spo1ler> Не, я пока с этим поибусь -_-
[13:02:48] <Spo1ler> Все равно у меня нет стабилитронов сейчас.
[13:02:50] <plumbum> Spo1ler, ну я в общем уже хз то у тебя может быть =)
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[13:08:38] <Spo1ler> Может у меня диоды какие говняные?
[13:08:54] * Spo1ler юзал диоды с маркировкой FR20
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[13:31:22] <serkon> wz uuoo
[13:31:25] <Крошка> serkon: Voronez, Russia - 2009.08.27 0900 UTC / partly cloudy, 21C/69F, humidity 40%, wind: Variable at 2 MPH (2 KT), visibility: greater than 7 mile(s)
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[14:18:17] <Spo1ler> Странно
[14:18:25] <Spo1ler> Унипроф шьет нормально
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[14:24:01] <Elektronik> Robin> Здравствуй СЫНА!
[14:24:20] <DOLF1212> Elektronik: отец?
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[14:45:06] <microxa> хм.. а ожил акк-то... проводки аж пережигает
[14:46:45] <microxa> и напруга теперь при заряде - в районе 13V а не 20как вначале было
[14:47:11] <serkon> а ток?
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[14:48:03] <microxa> ну диод - и через резюк 47ом
[14:48:07] <microxa> 150ма
[14:48:12] <serkon> нормально
[14:48:32] <plumbum> microxa, тебе свезло =)
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[15:02:33] <Spo1ler> Люди, скомпилируйте кто-нибудь http://paste.org.ru/?mw2j7k и скопируйте плиз содержимое hex файла
[15:07:38] <xrayman> в студии?
[15:07:53] <Spo1ler> да
[15:08:30] <DOLF1212> В 1960 г. из одного метеорита было выделено весьма сложное органическое соединение, подобное цитозину. Известно, что цитозин входит в состав молекулы ДНК.
[15:08:43] <xrayman> :020000020000FC
:0A0000000FEF07BB0FEF08BBFBCFAB
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[15:09:59] <xrayman> Spo1ler: подойдет?
[15:10:31] <Spo1ler> о
[15:10:33] <Spo1ler> спасибо
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[15:12:00] <xrayman> 0F EF 07 BB 0F EF 08 BB FB CF
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[15:12:14] <xrayman> забей через хекс-едитор, будет бинарник :)
[15:12:43] <`n3yr0n`> plumbum,serkon :я решил проблему по размещению данных при компиляции для стм32 по определенным адресам.
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[15:12:52] <serkon> `n3yr0n`: и зачем? =)
[15:12:54] <serkon> вс мысле как?
[15:13:10] <`n3yr0n`> есть такой атрибут:
const int x1 __attribute__((at(0x10000))) = 10; /* RO */
int x2 __attribute__((at(0x12000))) = 10; /* RW */
int x3 __attribute__((at(0x14000))) = 0; /* RW, not ZI */
int x4 __attribute__((at(0x16000))); /* ZI */
[15:13:18] <serkon> да, есть
[15:13:47] <`n3yr0n`> вроде даже как и работает )
[15:14:05] <`n3yr0n`> так что +1 в копилку знаний
[15:14:21] <serkon> я его даже когда-то применял у себя в операционке на х86
[15:14:28] <microxa> по идее __attribute__(at(0x10000)) так нада
[15:14:33] <serkon> ноо было это года три назад
[15:14:41] <Spo1ler> хм...
[15:14:48] <microxa> или в двойных лучше скобочках?
[15:14:56] <`n3yr0n`> в двой ных правильно
[15:15:00] <Spo1ler> Почему-то от этого кода на ножке становится 0.5 с копейками вольт
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[15:15:02] <Spo1ler> Это нормально? -_-
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[15:15:29] <xrayman> вроде нет
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[15:39:14] <`n3yr0n`> ну мне пора )
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[16:39:53] <gosplan> скажите а лоу-пасс фильтр как пишут в даташняге на мегу16 на питание АЦП риальне надо, или с одним кондером на землю тоже нормально будет
[16:40:19] <gosplan> вплане катушку надо или хуй положить можно
[16:40:55] <xrayman> можно
[16:41:14] <xrayman> точность будет 2 LSB
[16:41:22] <xrayman> которой можно доверять
[16:41:46] <gosplan> ок, хорошо
[16:42:17] <gosplan> а вобще, индуктивность если ставить то на сколько ?
[16:42:35] <xrayman> хз, никогда не ставил :)
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[16:46:11] <plumbum> `n3yr0n`, gcc-шная фича
[16:50:34] <xrayman> йопт, забыл отзеркалить плату при печати...
[16:50:51] <xrayman> :'(
[16:51:29] <xrayman> есть у кого-то опыт припаивания tqfp контроллеров вверх ногами? :)
[16:53:11] <plumbum> xrayman, мосье знает толк в извращениях =)
[16:53:56] <gosplan> плату развел неправильно ? )))
[16:54:11] <xrayman> ну или травить новую плату, или припаивать контроллер вверх ногами
[16:54:18] <gosplan> у меня такое было недавно, правда там всего лишь 555 в смд корпусе
[16:54:19] <xrayman> развел правильно, отзеркалить забыл
[16:55:02] <xrayman> ну по крайней мере я надеюсь, что развел правильно :-[
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[16:56:07] <gosplan> я вот развел неправильно, пришлось переделывать
[16:56:42] <gosplan> напаивать вверх ногами не стал
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[17:45:19] <serkon> ping
[17:45:20] <Elektronik> Да заебали со своими пингами!
[17:45:21] <Крошка> serkon: Понг от тебя 1.18 секунды
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[19:21:47] <Elektronik> Да заебали со своими пингами!
[19:21:48] <Крошка> serkon: Понг от тебя 0.988 секунды
[19:24:22] <exception13> all:
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[19:40:09] <Dimmozg> - Мы с девушкой решили майки себе сделать с надписями: мне на спине "192.168.1.1", а спереди "ping 192.168.1.2", а ей наоборот: "192.168.1.2" и "ping 192.168.1.1".
- Ну, а когда ты будешь задерживаться, она наденет майку "traceroute 192.168.1.1"
- А когда она тебя бросит, ты - "ping 127.0.0.1"
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[19:45:43] <Dimmozg> < xxx> обещают в ближайшем будущем выпустить ОС Русь :)
< yyy> ага
< yyy> цд /йузер/сорцы/йадро/ ии собрать мир ии быстранах :)
[19:46:33] <Spo1ler> Ну ты расхититель гробниц -_-
[19:46:45] <Spo1ler> Ты откопал баяны годовой давности
[19:47:37] <Dimmozg> все новое хорошо забытое старое :)
[19:48:05] <Dimmozg> че я сделаю если баш стал беспонтовым :)
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[20:03:29] <Spo1ler> Товарищи
[20:03:45] <Spo1ler> компильните кто-нибудь еще вот этот код: http://paste.org.ru/?nvn96y и hex дайте
[20:05:22] <Dimmozg> мне нечем
[20:05:53] <serkon> мозгом
[20:06:12] <Dimmozg> хы
[20:06:29] <Spo1ler> По странному стечению обстоятельств получилось так, что авр студио у меня в уютненьком /home
[20:06:35] <Spo1ler> А я сейчас в венде -_-
[20:06:36] <Dimmozg> пусть сам тогда компилит)
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[20:52:22] <gosplan> напомните, у электролит. конденсатора обозначение вида: --[]|--, так вот справа ето минус или плюс
[20:55:24] <plumbum> минус жирный
[20:57:46] <serkon> ping
[20:57:47] <Elektronik> Да заебали со своими пингами!
[20:57:49] <Крошка> serkon: Понг от тебя 1.51 секунды
[20:59:39] <serkon> странно, больше ничего не грузится
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[21:28:32] <DI HALT> Человек поди до сих пор под впечатлением от Тини :)
[21:40:45] <exception13> all:
[21:40:58] <exception13> ппц
[21:41:23] <exception13> сеня монтажники с 9 до 4х вечера выпиливали/запиливали межкомнатные двери
[21:42:03] <exception13> какие то умники придумали в плиты монтировать при их заливке железные косяки дверные
[21:42:12] <exception13> ояебу
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[21:43:20] <Дросселька с отводом> exception13: кто такой или что такое > ояебу
???
[21:44:16] <exception13> Дросселька с отводом: грязное ругательство
[21:44:33] <Дросселька с отводом> exception13: ну я значит правильно думала)))
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[21:57:23] * exception13 первым делом поменял двери и подключил инет
[21:57:26] <exception13> =]
[22:05:23] <chelovek2313> :-)
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[22:25:23] <exception13> serkon: http://www.dz.ru/en/solutions/phantom/why/
[22:25:25] <exception13> serkon: феерия
[22:25:36] <exception13> serkon: автор будет на CC доклад делать
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[23:02:19] <Elektronik> Robin> Здравствуй СЫНА!
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